In this episode, Katie talks to Elle Bower Johnston. Elle (she/they) is a body witch. Their work is the alchemisation of breathwork, somatic, and rest practices with witchcraft and folk magic. She works with creatives, witches, queers, change-makers, weirdos - folks who might not necessarily feel like they belong in ‘wellness’ or ‘spiritual’ spaces - to help them get into deeper their relationship with their body and connect with their magic.
Her work is queer- and trans-centred, trauma-conscious, and rooted in unravelling colonialism and capitalism from the ways we relate to our bodies. They believe that our personal practices can be microcosms of liberation that spiral out and create a better world.
During this Katie & Elle discuss:
The societal pressure to stay "busy" and how it often undermines our well-being
How moving through space—whether walking, driving, or traveling by train—enhances mental clarity and creativity.
Understanding different types of rest and exploring rest from various perspectives—physical, mental, spiritual, and social.
The liberating power of saying "no" and how starting from a place of refusal can help reclaim energy and create space for true rest.
The paradox of needing to slow down in an urgent world
You can connect with Elle here
Website: ellebowerjohnston.com
Instagram: @ellebowerjohnston
Free Notion dashboard of rest practices for rebels - Radical Rest Portal
Here are some highlights:
The Pressure of Productivity
"Nobody comes up to me and says, ‘You seem inspired at the moment or happy or well-rested.’ It’s always, ‘Oh my gosh, you’re so busy,’ as if productivity is the only measure of success. But what about asking if my work is bringing me joy?”
Embracing the Chaos of Rest
"Rest isn’t just about napping or yoga Nidra. It’s anything that connects your mind and body, bringing you back to a sense of wholeness. It’s about exploring different layers of self and finding coherence, whether it’s through traditional practices or something as simple as revisiting childhood movies."
The Power of Saying No
"Starting from a place of refusal is a form of reclaiming energy. We often move with this sense of ‘I have to, I have to,’ but by saying no, we allow ourselves to drop back, be present, and reclaim rest as an act of self-care."
The Importance of Listening to the Body
"Listening to your body is key. It’s not just about what your mind wants but also what your body needs. Sometimes, rest is about allowing your body to guide you, trusting its signals, and respecting the need to pause, breathe, and reset."
Books, Podcasts & Articles we mentioned:
Experiments in Imagining Otherwise by Lola Olufemi
Emergent Strategy by Adriene Marie Brown
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Katie Treggiden is the founder and director of Making Design Circular – an international membership community and online learning platform for environmentally conscious designers, makers artists and craftspeople. She is also an author, journalist and podcaster championing a hopeful approach to environmentalism. With more than 20 years' experience in the creative industries, she regularly contributes to publications such as The Guardian, The Observer, Crafts Magazine and Dezeen. She is currently exploring the question ‘Can craft save the world?’ through her sixth book, Broken: Mending & Repair in a Throwaway World (Ludion, 2023), this very podcast.
In Conversation with... Elle Bower-Johnston